NYTrogate
The right-wing media is out to screw the Kerry campaign! First CBS News tricked Kerry and the Democrats into running "Bush was AWOL" ads by broadcasting what they knew to be forged memos. Now Kerry has been duped into co-opting a phony issue into his stump speeches by the New York Times!
We understand that it's an important election -- but it just isn't fair for the New York Times and CBS News to sabotage the Kerry/Edwards ticket in the last week of the campaign!
</sarcasm>
"NYTrogate" (read nitro-gate) was the brilliant name bestowed on this story by Polipundit readers.
Cliff May over at the Corner writes:
Drudge:
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We understand that it's an important election -- but it just isn't fair for the New York Times and CBS News to sabotage the Kerry/Edwards ticket in the last week of the campaign!
</sarcasm>
"NYTrogate" (read nitro-gate) was the brilliant name bestowed on this story by Polipundit readers.
Cliff May over at the Corner writes:
Sent to me by a source in the government: “The Iraqi explosives story is a fraud. These weapons were not there when US troops went to this site in 2003. The IAEA and its head, the anti-American Mohammed El Baradei, leaked a false letter on this issue to the media to embarrass the Bush administration. The US is trying to deny El Baradei a second term and we have been on his case for missing the Libyan nuclear weapons program and for weakness on the Iranian nuclear weapons program.”
Drudge:
60 MINS PLANNED BUSH MISSING EXPLOSIVES STORY FOR ELECTION EVE
News of missing explosives in Iraq -- first reported in April 2003 -- was being resurrected for a 60 MINUTES election eve broadcast designed to knock the Bush administration into a crises mode.
108 Comments:
You nailed him again. What amazes me is not that they just are thowing anything out there and hoping it sticks the week before the election. It's that they do not back off a story even after proven ridiculous.
I just wish the mainstream media would call Kerry on things like this, but I guess it's too much too hope. This video should be posted on MSNBC, instead not a single article about how they reported on the missing explosives the day after our troops entered Iraq. Unbelievable yet so believable.
By Anonymous, at 9:24 AM
You nailed him again. What amazes me is not that they just are thowing anything out there and hoping it sticks the week before the election. It's that they do not back off a story even after proven ridiculous.
I just wish the mainstream media would call Kerry on things like this, but I guess it's too much too hope. This video should be posted on MSNBC, instead not a single article about how they reported on the missing explosives the day after our troops entered Iraq. Unbelievable yet so believable.
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By Anonymous, at 9:44 AM
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By Anonymous, at 11:07 AM
you lousy fuckbags will probably still have your heads up your asses when the rest of the world says "enough" and bombs the living christ out of us. fuck you and fuck that bullshit excuse for a president that wasn't even elected. if they steal it again this time, you fuckers are FUCKED.
By Anonymous, at 11:17 AM
ahhhh...your elequonce is only surpassed by your ignorance.....liberal fucker:)
By Anonymous, at 11:40 AM
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Hey Anonymous, I enjoyed the video of that retard from MSNBC. The site seems down now. Is there another address or mirror site where I can get it?
By Radixx, at 11:48 AM
How much airtime do you think this story will get compared to Kerry's exagerration (I'm being generous here) that he met with all members of the UNSC, or recent charges that his antiwar activities were directed by the North Vietnamese?
Personally, I think the MSM is going off the deep end. At the very least, their reporting is unfair and imbalanced.
By Zach, at 11:55 AM
Video is back up and working.. Drudge killed us for a few minutes, but the server recovered.
By The Recycler, at 12:00 PM
So the Pentagon and the Bush administration have known for the last year and a half that 350 tonnes of high explosives which can be used for nuclear triggers and terrorist bombs were missing.
By Anonymous, at 12:01 PM
Wow, what a stinging retort, with such DEEP Thinkers as you on their side. How can the Liberals Lose? -
The truth is they can't bomb the "FUCK" out of us because the rest of the world coudn't put a real army together to save their lives, evidence? every UN action of any effectiveness for the last fifty years has required the US military as a centerpiece. The reason that europe wants Kerry to win is because they know that they can exploit his ever present liberal guilty conscience and lead his administration around by the nose, like they've done to every administration since Rosevelt.
By Anonymous, at 12:07 PM
Perhaps all you conservatives should ask yourselves if this was all old news, why the White House yesterday said they and the DoD had only learned of it last 10 days.
Not to mention the whole, they were gone when we arrived story is full of holes and untruths.
I suggest you all actually read the facts:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
By Anonymous, at 12:20 PM
Hats off to Mr. Kerry for making the race so close. I am convinced that Bush would have been run out of this country had he not attacked Iraq when he did. I am certain that our economy would still be nosediving if Gore was in office. It's surprising how gullible half of America is - particularly when it's obvious that Kerry has no real plan for America. 60 years from now I'm sure that there will be plenty of young adults thanking the United States for liberating Iraq and allowing their parents to make a decent life for themselves and their families - as I am thanking the United States today for liberating my parents nearly 60 years ago from the horrible attrocities of WW II.
For the sake of my family and future generations, I now wish I was a Florida resident so that I can make a difference in this election.
By Anonymous, at 12:27 PM
The use-to-be elite media report nothing on Senator Kerry,Unless it's good. The bias is so obvious!
They jump on any story to bring President Bush down.
No hard questions on Kerry's senate record,war protest,
nothing. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN,MSNBC know one ask real
questions in other words YOU GUYS AIN'T DOING YOUR JOB!!
By Anonymous, at 12:41 PM
You nailed him again. What amazes me is not that they just are thowing anything out there and hoping it sticks the week before the election. It's that they do not back off a story even after proven ridiculous.
I just wish the mainstream media would call Kerry on things like this, but I guess it's too much too hope. This video should be posted on MSNBC, instead not a single article about how they reported on the missing explosives the day after our troops entered Iraq. Unbelievable yet so believable.
By Celedon, at 12:52 PM
Apologize for the multiple comments, quite the hiccup.
By Celedon, at 12:55 PM
If Kerry has been duped by these people, then he must be even "dumber" than Bush, so we certaqinly can not elect him now...
By Anonymous, at 1:02 PM
"you lousy fuckbags will probably still have your heads up your asses when the rest of the world says "enough" and bombs the living christ out of us. fuck you and fuck that bullshit excuse for a president that wasn't even elected. if they steal it again this time, you fuckers are FUCKED."
Nice To see Lawrence O'Donnell dropped by.
By Editor, Living Room Section, at 1:04 PM
I am so impressed by the obvious intelligence of the person who used the "f" word so many times. I guess when you have a small mind, one word applies to everything.
It's okay honey. When the terrorists are attacking, just use that word against them, it will protect you.
In the meantime, get an education and learn something new to spew. I love it when the Kerry supporters use this kind of language. Their intellect is like Kerry's many plans. They don't exist.
By Anonymous, at 1:14 PM
Just a couple points in reference to one of the points over at http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
1) As far as pit stops go, I've made some pretty long ones in my travels, but almost 24 hours? That must have been one Hell of a line for the bathroom.
2) Not that I know anything about military tactics or dealing with embedded reporters, but it would seem to me that a commander would want to secure and explore a munitions dump without having to worry about their little babies, er reporters, getting either in the way or killed. So, leave the reporters with the cars and a few soldiers to keep them feeling "embedded" then search and secure the place for I don't know a few...5...10...almost 24 hours. Then once you've found (or discovered missing) what you were looking for, you can decide on whether or not to give the 50 cent tour to the press corps.
By Anonymous, at 1:25 PM
Well for heaven's sakes! Which is it, Libs? Did Iraq have WMDs or didn't it? We've been hearing Kerry drone on and on about the mistake it was in going into Iraq when there were no WMDs, and now we are hearing that it is chaos because there WERE WMDs and now they are missing. Does he support our troops, or are our troops incompetent and unable to search for the WMDs that were supposedly there? And how in the heck did anyone get 380 tons of explosives out of there within a matter of a day or less without anyone seeing it happen? It would take loads of people, loads of trucks and weeks to be able to do it. Where is the common sense in calculating how that could happen? Perhaps the IAEA should have done ITS job and gotten rid of the WMDs as expected instead of waiting for us to do it. They had PLENTY of time before we went in there.
By Anonymous, at 1:27 PM
Thank you I just linked to
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Robert
By A7 Internet.com, at 1:33 PM
What must the rest of the world be saying about "Democracy" at this time? We have an elective process second to none on the planet.
But where else would you find mainstream media (propogandists) saying anything they want, with only their interpation being the only credible version acceptable (sounds eerily similar to the former Soviet State run media and the current "Truth" eminating from the Chinese Communists) to influence an elective Democratic process for no apparent reason.
I'm sure glad that the Maker afforded me enough brain power to be objective when others, either through subjective arrogance or just plain idiotic bigotry
cannot tell the difference between right and wrong.
My father told me many years ago, no matter what
events occur, Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong...and long before you act, you'll know in your heart the difference....Thank You Dad.
By Anonymous, at 1:35 PM
It all comes down to who you feel will do the best for all Americans, not just a select few. So if you are a believer in Christ and you believe in the teachings he taught then you are not for Bush, but you are for what Kerry stands for. Equality, peaceful coexistance and the ability to make a choice for what you want out of life with in the laws of our nation. Loyalty oaths and the ommission of anyone thought to be a non republican only serves to remind me of Adolf and his gang of thugs in Munich 1933.
By Anonymous, at 1:38 PM
This all so typical. You cite the Drudge report (and the Drudge report cites you) and then Rush reads the Drudge report verbatim on his show. Journalists citing journalists and confusing that with fact. Rush rambled on today about the MSNBC "report" that MSNBC reporters were there in April 2003 and the depot was empty! A quick visit to MSNBC's website reveals that Rush is as slippery with the truth as the current administration.
MSNBC summarizes the report at: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933
MSNBC's embedded reporters were in the munitions depot with the 101st for 24 hours where they rested before they were ordered to continue to Baghdad. No systematic search of the depot was ordered or conducted - although a few troops looked around to ogle the extensive stores of shells. Rush is right that they but did not see the high explosives - but they was no systematic source. Neither Rush nor Drudge made any mention of the MSNBC's reference to anonymous sources at the Pentagon who have both since admitted that the high explosives were still there after the 101st moved on.
Rush bases his entire argument on an embedded reporter and a few assumptions about how the world works. Can't do much about his world view, but for the whole, sadly less remarkable munition's story read the embedded reporter's account: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933
By Anonymous, at 1:43 PM
I've had it with the navel gazing, meally mouthed, shuffle butted, pansy asses who cry woe is me that we are taking the fight to the terrrorists. You got Germany, Russia and France eating at the trough in oil money kick backs to Saddam Hussein while the litte kiddies in Iraq go hungry and we get blamed for it. After Afganistan Iraq was as good a place to go into as any and it positions us perfectly to take Iran out next. Listen you liberal piss ants. There are a whole lot of people in the country that are tired of your destroying our countrty with your me..me...me do as I please society of sticking the producers in this country with the bill. After 9-11 we are going to FUCKING take a stand. There is a word in there you can understand. THIS IS THE ELECTION where the adults take over control of the country from the pansy ass democRAT party which spent 40 years attempting to take down America with its free love and then greed. I can't wait for Nov. 2nd. I pray it puts a FUCKING stake in the heart the liberalism that has destryoing this country where you can't watch a FUCKING Super Bowl with your 6 year-ol kids without hearing raunchy music and some slut bearing her breast. ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME THE WORLD FEARED THE USA!!
By DaneWayne, at 1:43 PM
Where's the video of the embedded reported saying there was no search? This video is not the final report on the situation. In fact, it is pretty outdated already and filled with erroneous information.
The cognative dissonance here is out of control. I am speechless as to how you folks can take such a huge Bush error and try to spin it as something Kerry did wrong.
This isn't a "nytrogate" against Kerry. This is another monumental screw up by Bush.
As already mentioned, http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com has the breakdown.
It is apparent to anyone willing to process the facts that the Administration's plan for invading Iraq was flawed. Obvoiusly, searching for and securing munitions was not a priority. Securing the oil fields was.
Oh, these weren't WMDs per a previous poster's outrage:
"we are hearing that it is chaos because there WERE WMDs and now they are missing"
These are conventional explosives which were perfectly legal. They weren't WMDs. No one is claiming there were WMDs except loonies that post on these sites.
No everyone go read the PIPA study and see how it applies to yourselves. The inability to accept facts reveals a lot.
The end is near for either Bush or the American Democracy. Which one will be decided next week.
By Anonymous, at 1:52 PM
I quote: "Not to mention the whole, they were gone when we arrived story is full of holes and untruths."
Seems the NBC reporter embedded with the unit blew this story out of the water. So much for this so-called October surprise. If I was a journalist, I would be ashamed of my ilk, for manipulating news content to effect any election. The campaign's both spend enough money as it is to spread their messages. A shame on all your houses.
By Anonymous, at 1:56 PM
"These are conventional explosives which were perfectly legal. They weren't WMDs."
As in you can get them easily anywhere?
By Anonymous, at 1:57 PM
John Kerry's Discharge - He won't sign Form 180 - What is he hiding?
http://acuf.org/issues/issue21/040929pol.asp
What a young man did more than 30 years ago should not be a primary criteria in determining his qualifications to be President of the United States. George Bush has had almost 4 years now as Commander and Chief of the World"s largest military force and he should be judged on how well he has done. Yet John Kerry and the Democratic left won"t give it up. On almost a daily basis he says I served this country honorably as a young man in Vietnam (4 months/12 days) and I will serve this country honorably as Commander and Chief. Then the Left yells that George Bush got preferential treatment in getting into the National Guard and even failed to complete his guard obligations; even forging documents to prove their point.
The facts are that George Bush served honorably in the National Guard obtaining service points far in excess of the 50 annual service points required to meet his obligation. Records show that in 1968/69 he accumulated 253 points, 340 in 1969/70, 137 in 1970/71, 112 in 1971/72, 56 in 1972/73 and 56 in 1973/74. Points far in excess of the service agreed to and that required to meets his obligation and be Honorably Discharged. George Bush has never made his National Guard service a qualification to lead this country, nor has he ever questioned the service of John Kerry.
While the Left and the mainstream media have never questioned the Vietnam era service of John Kerry, they seem to feel that the record of George Bush 30 years ago should be of concern to voters in November. But what about John Kerry's record? We are told that he was a decorated veteran. We are also told that he was deeply involved in anti-war activities on his return from Vietnam in violation of his oath as an officer in the US Navy. By his own account of his actions and protests, he violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Further he met, on two occasions, with North Vietnamese negotiators in 1970 and 1971, while a Reserve Officer, willingly placing himself in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
From here the record of John Kerry becomes unclear and the mainstream press won't demand that John Kerry sign a Department of Defense (DOD) form 180 that would release all of his military records. Records released by his campaign are confusing. There are indications that he was Honorably Discharged on Jan. 3, 1970, Feb 16, 1978, July 13, 1978 and even lately Mar. 12, 2001. Why the confusion on a relatively simple service event. Could it be that John Kerry received a less than honorable discharge in the early 70"s because of his anti-war activities? And then was pardoned for those activities when then President Jimmy Carter on January 21, 1978 ( Proclamation 4483) granted a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated there under.
Did John Kerry request that his service be granted an Honorable Discharge and it was finally granted in 1978? Only a complete release of his military records will show what actually happened during this period. And, to date John Kerry has refused to sign the necessary DOD form 180 which would allow for this release. If the Democratic Party, the media, and the Bush critics are going to demand, as they do on almost a daily basis, that George Bush release all of his records, should they not do the same for John Kerry?
Michael Ashbury is a noted researcher and author, and the author of ''Who is the REAL John Kerry?'' (Booksurge.com 2004). His website is at http://www.whoistherealjohnkerry.com
By Anonymous, at 2:09 PM
John Kerry's Discharge - He won't sign Form 180 - What is he hiding?
http://acuf.org/issues/issue21/040929pol.asp
What a young man did more than 30 years ago should not be a primary criteria in determining his qualifications to be President of the United States. George Bush has had almost 4 years now as Commander and Chief of the World"s largest military force and he should be judged on how well he has done. Yet John Kerry and the Democratic left won"t give it up. On almost a daily basis he says I served this country honorably as a young man in Vietnam (4 months/12 days) and I will serve this country honorably as Commander and Chief. Then the Left yells that George Bush got preferential treatment in getting into the National Guard and even failed to complete his guard obligations; even forging documents to prove their point.
The facts are that George Bush served honorably in the National Guard obtaining service points far in excess of the 50 annual service points required to meet his obligation. Records show that in 1968/69 he accumulated 253 points, 340 in 1969/70, 137 in 1970/71, 112 in 1971/72, 56 in 1972/73 and 56 in 1973/74. Points far in excess of the service agreed to and that required to meets his obligation and be Honorably Discharged. George Bush has never made his National Guard service a qualification to lead this country, nor has he ever questioned the service of John Kerry.
While the Left and the mainstream media have never questioned the Vietnam era service of John Kerry, they seem to feel that the record of George Bush 30 years ago should be of concern to voters in November. But what about John Kerry's record? We are told that he was a decorated veteran. We are also told that he was deeply involved in anti-war activities on his return from Vietnam in violation of his oath as an officer in the US Navy. By his own account of his actions and protests, he violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Further he met, on two occasions, with North Vietnamese negotiators in 1970 and 1971, while a Reserve Officer, willingly placing himself in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
From here the record of John Kerry becomes unclear and the mainstream press won't demand that John Kerry sign a Department of Defense (DOD) form 180 that would release all of his military records. Records released by his campaign are confusing. There are indications that he was Honorably Discharged on Jan. 3, 1970, Feb 16, 1978, July 13, 1978 and even lately Mar. 12, 2001. Why the confusion on a relatively simple service event. Could it be that John Kerry received a less than honorable discharge in the early 70"s because of his anti-war activities? And then was pardoned for those activities when then President Jimmy Carter on January 21, 1978 ( Proclamation 4483) granted a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated there under.
Did John Kerry request that his service be granted an Honorable Discharge and it was finally granted in 1978? Only a complete release of his military records will show what actually happened during this period. And, to date John Kerry has refused to sign the necessary DOD form 180 which would allow for this release. If the Democratic Party, the media, and the Bush critics are going to demand, as they do on almost a daily basis, that George Bush release all of his records, should they not do the same for John Kerry?
Michael Ashbury is a noted researcher and author, and the author of ''Who is the REAL John Kerry?'' (Booksurge.com 2004). His website is at http://www.whoistherealjohnkerry.com
By Anonymous, at 2:09 PM
Bush,
Will not be re-elected. His father went to war in Iraq and did a better job then he did. And his father lost. I'm betting on Kerry. Either way - you or I have no control over who wins. Electoral colleges and judges elect presidents. Each state has different numbers of them. If there are 100 people in a state with 20 college members - and 10,000,000 people in a state with 5 members, all Kerry/Bush have to do is persuade the states with the most members with less people. A state with less people in it can stand more of a chance at electing a president then if all 10,000,000 people in another state vote. Your vote really doens't count. I say save some gas and time and spend the time to learn how the system works and educate yourselves. Votings a sham. It's not democratic. Gore had more votes from voters then Bush in the last election and Gore lost. That's reality.
By Anonymous, at 2:10 PM
Rather than whining about our current democratic process how about a few suggestions.
By Anonymous, at 2:21 PM
That's not exactly right. Your state's number of electoral votes is determined by the number of representatives in Congress, and your state's number of Representatives in the House is determined by the population of your state, so a state with 100 people will not have more electoral votes than a state with 1,000,000 people.
Also, if anyone can tell me the appeal of voting for Kerry, I'd like to know. I see absolutely no reason to vote for Kerry because he has yet to give me a reason.
By Anonymous, at 2:26 PM
Fear not my fellow conservatives! What we are witnessing here is the self-inflicted demise of the conglomeration of asshats known as the Democratic Party. They have stooped to telling bald-faced lies with no concern about getting caught red-handed. When Bush wins on Nov 2nd, the douchebags will riot and have their lawsuit-fest, but when it's all said and done the DNC will be dead and buried as a political force in this country. Their members who haven't been completely swallowed up by anti-american hatred will defect in droves for fear of being associated with the nutballs who have coopted their party. We may well even see the rise of a legitimate third party as a result - and all because they lost their stranglehold on the fifth-column mainstream media. Good times! :D
By Anonymous, at 2:33 PM
I hope you have some bandwidth. ;-)
An excellent job.
By Anonymous, at 2:39 PM
I saw a woman NBC reporter interviewed this morning (October 26) that was one of the embedded reporters that entered the munitions storeage area back in April of 2003 as described in the video. She said it was a "pitstop" on their way to Baghdad and that nobody from the military, as far as she knew, was actively searching for anything. She said that US mortors had knocked the walls down leaving the ordinance in full view as could be seen in the video. She implied there was plenty of explosives there at the site and some soldiers were going off taking looks at it all. She added that the roads to the area were cut off by US military and were not accessible so they apparently did not feel the need to secure the area.
She absolutely did NOT say that NO explosives were there at that time. Maybe someone else did say that from NBC or maybe she said that at a different time - but not when I saw her today. Even had the explosives been removed in the month leading up to the war, the effect is the same: these weapons became out of control due to the invasion including the impending invasion which, of course, would cause them to take action to keep their ordinance from being seized.
By Anonymous, at 2:53 PM
Quote:
>>>Either way - you or I have no control over who wins. Electoral colleges and judges elect presidents. Each state has different numbers of them. If there are 100 people in a state with 20 college members - and 10,000,000 people in a state with 5 members, all Kerry/Bush have to do is persuade the states with the most members with less people. A state with less people in it can stand more of a chance at electing a president then if all 10,000,000 people in another state vote. Your vote really doens't count. I say save some gas and time and spend the time to learn how the system works and educate yourselves. Votings a sham. It's not democratic. Gore had more votes from voters then Bush in the last election and Gore lost. That's reality.<<<
Oh...my...God....
If this is "learning the system", I truely fear for the future of the Republic. No wonder snake oil salesmen like Clinton and Kerry can get 45% of the vote.
By Anonymous, at 2:53 PM
I thought this (USA) was a Representative republic.........
Where does the popular vote fit into that description?
By Anonymous, at 2:55 PM
Imagine if Kerry wins. What would that mean? It would mean people CAN actually BUY the White House! More millionaires have contributed to the KERRY campaign than the BOTH of GW's campaigns COMBINED!! Soros and the holy-wood elite gave millions. The insurance execs gave millions! The LAWYERS gave MILLIONS!! The UNIONS gave millions!! And the two Democratic candidates are MULTI-MILLIONAIRES (and that's without Heinz's billions)!!
Also, I really LOVE that at one speech Kerry is telling folks "We shouldn't be in Iraq" and that we are there for all the wrong reasons. In another he is telling people that there are more terrorists in Iraq now than any other place in the world and it's because of GWB!!
Sounds right to me! I would rather have the terrorists in IRAQ blowing things up than here in the USA blowing things up! Let's kill them over there where there's less chance of US getting killed in the process.
Sounds like GWB made a great move!
Also, Kerry keeps touting the President didn't have "a plan to win the peace" - he means pull out. NOBODY has PULLOUT Plans before they start things!! That would be stupid!
Besides, did we pull out of Germany? Not yet... What about Japan? Not yet... Korea? Nope... Only Vietnam and look what a fiasco that has caused... Look at how everyone pictures that war... As a LOSS.
I say we stay there in Iraq and use it as a base to clean up the rest of the middle east! (Gee, was that ANOTHER good reason for us to be there?)
By Anonymous, at 2:59 PM
Prior posting quoted----
Oh, these weren't WMDs per a previous poster's outrage:
"we are hearing that it is chaos because there WERE WMDs and now they are missing"
These are conventional explosives which were perfectly legal. They weren't WMDs. No one is claiming there were WMDs except loonies that post on these sites.
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If you knew anything about Arms Control and Proliferation issues you would realize that the materials in question the soldiers were searching for could be used as triggers for thermonuclear weapons. The soldiers mission were not to search for artillery shells or RPG's, but rather stockpiles of high grade explosives that had been tagged by the IAEA for monitoring.
[shaking head]
Dumbass.
By Anonymous, at 3:05 PM
I find the giddiness with which the Democrats leap on any mistake in this war to be truly frightening. As others have pointed out repeatedly (see especially Victor Davis Hanson's many fine pieces on the subject), mistakes -- often very costly ones -- happen all the time in wars. Citing any and every mistake as evidence of supposed incompetence by Bush is just so petty and so partisan that it tends to confirm what Zell Miller said at the convention -- that the Democrats are putting partisan advantage over national security. By their standards, FDR and Lincoln were truly masters of incompetence.
By Anonymous, at 3:10 PM
Actually the Electoral College (currently) favors the Democrats!
If you look at California and New York alone, they make up over 85 electoral votes for just TWO states!! And ALL the votes go to ONE candidate! That means that out of the 271 votes needed to win, those two states make up almost ONE THIRD of the electoral votes!! And who wins those two states almost without question? The Democrats.
That's why they don't even bother to advertise there. They simply use NY and CA as the CASH COWS to raise money to spend in other area's!
By Anonymous, at 3:14 PM
NBC is NOT saying this is an old story nor are they saying the weapons were gone already when the US got there. Here is what they actually are saying:
‘No move to secure the weapons’
“There wasn’t a search,” she said. “The mission that the brigade had was to get to Baghdad. That was more of a pit stop there for us. And, you know, the searching, I mean certainly some of the soldiers headed off on their own, looked through the bunkers just to look at the vast amount of ordnance lying around.
“But as far as we could tell, there was no move to secure the weapons, nothing to keep looters away.”
There was disagreement among U.S. officials over when the explosives might have disappeared.
At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said U.S.-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. The site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
By Anonymous, at 3:14 PM
Well Dana is on Fox now....telling us what happend in Al QAQAA compound. He is saying the 101st stayed over night there. And he was saying NO seled weapons period. They were hit by airstrikes when the war began. Hangers of Rockets and that were trashed.
NO sealed bunkers left in take....
Ha! The Kerry freaks are shaking now...Bob Beckle even came out for the demi's and said "Who cares it's a story and the American people are seeing it in there face...who cares if it's true or not"....
Good LORD they are admiting to fabricating or distorting facts. Well what's new right...heheheh
"na na na naaa ...na na na naaaaa hey hey good bye" see you Kerry.
By Anonymous, at 3:27 PM
you also forgot Dan Blather trying to throw the election 4 years ago by reporting the West Florida polls closed when they were not. I have not watched CBS since then. I wish everyone would do the same!!!!!!! hit them where it hurts!!!!
By Anonymous, at 3:39 PM
First of all I would like to know if John Kerry ever smoked pot? I don't recall this question ever coming up during any debate and I don't remember if anyone ever asked him this question. Also was John Kerry on any type of drugs? I also think all the Swift Boat ads need to be televised. John Kerry you are not disabled and I am and you make a heck of a lot more money than I do and what can you do for me. NOTHING!!! You really think I would vote for someone like you heck no.
By Anonymous, at 3:59 PM
I wish our President would have never gotten down in the gutter with the kerry liars.
I have been in the defense business for many years and prepared congressional testimony.
The Presidents first job is to PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. He did just that! He took a look at IRAQ and based on the information from the Bush 1 war where they had poison gas, a gun to try to shoot at ISREAL and were going all over the world trying to obtain a nuclear capability. With smart people and lots of money sadmen could may have had nuclear weapons 10 years later. If that was a 10% possibility or a 1% possibility that a cargo ship could have gotten near NY City and wiped it out. HE COULD NOT TAKE THAT CHANCE. Our president made the decision based on the information he had available at the time.
All this second guessing is gutter slop after the fact. I wish President Bush would just come out and say----I made a desision to protect the American people based on the information I had. (period, end of statment) And stay above the WMD,HE,etc. second guessing.
By Anonymous, at 4:10 PM
One thing is clear. There is more evidence to suggest that the explosives were NOT there when troops first arrived, as there is evidence to suggest it was. Yet, Kerry The Asshole has the gal to criticise Bush for refuting the claim that the explosives were there, while at the same time offering no proof himself that it WAS there. What a fucking joke! Hey Kerry, in your make-believe world, is it normal for ammunition to remain in ammo dumps before and during a war, or are ammo dumps just there for the show? LOL!
By Anonymous, at 4:12 PM
Check out DNC Chair Terry McCauliffe on the board of Directors of this!!
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.11/media_pr.html
Media Fusion promised to deliver, within two years, bandwidth at speeds thousands of times faster than what's possible with fiber. Stewart was company chair, while the board of directors included government heavyweights such as former Speaker of the House Robert Livingston; Terry McAullife, a leading Democratic fund-raiser and close friend of then-President Clinton; and Admiral James Carey, former chair of the Federal Maritime Commission. The firm's Web site declared that the ASCM technology would "impact every facet of our life," and the computing power of the network would be "exponentially more powerful than any supercomputer to date."
The lawsuit and indictments:
http://www.restructuringtoday.com/ghimarkets/040301e.htm
Monday March 1 2004
SCANA sues two over powerline communication investment
A South Carolina newspaper has reported that Edwin Blair, CEO, and William Luke Stewart, former vice president of Media Fusion, were indicted on Dec 4 for alleged wire fraud and money laundering in connection with a loan from SCANA Corp.
By Anonymous, at 4:16 PM
have any seen the article on worldnetdaily about Kerry and the nva. why isn't anyone in the media covering it o i forgot wrong person
By Anonymous, at 4:28 PM
"....you lousy fuckbags will probably still have your heads up your asses when the rest of the world says "enough" and bombs the living christ out of us. fuck you and fuck that bullshit excuse for a president that wasn't even elected. if they steal it again this time, you fuckers are FUCKED...."
Whoa, dial back on the crack caffeine, pal....there'll be a place in line for a loser like you on Nov. 3 in front of the HILLARYPAC 2008 office....they're gonna need ALOT of envelope lickers.........
By Anonymous, at 4:31 PM
"....you lousy fuckbags will probably still have your heads up your asses when the rest of the world says "enough" and bombs the living christ out of us. fuck you and fuck that bullshit excuse for a president that wasn't even elected. if they steal it again this time, you fuckers are FUCKED...."
Whoa, dial back on the crack caffeine, pal....there'll be a place in line for a loser like you on Nov. 3 in front of the HILLARYPAC 2008 office....they're gonna need ALOT of envelope lickers.........
By Anonymous, at 4:32 PM
"It all comes down to who you feel will do the best for all Americans, not just a select few. So if you are a believer in Christ and you believe in the teachings he taught then you are not for Bush, but you are for what Kerry stands for. Equality, peaceful coexistance and the ability to make a choice for what you want out of life with in the laws of our nation. Loyalty oaths and the ommission of anyone thought to be a non republican only serves to remind me of Adolf and his gang of thugs in Munich 1933."
Are you OUT OF YOUR MIND??? Vote for Kerry because of his CHRIST-LIKE attitudes?? Which ones? Partial-birth abortion? Embryonic stem-cell research? Gay marriage? How about just lying through his teeth and giving people false hope? "YOU WILL GET UP OUT OF THAT WHEEL CHAIR AND WALK!"? Throwing Israel over so he can make peace with the Euroweenies and the Islamofascists that have SAID OPENLY their whole function in life is to annihilate Israel? I know we cannot judge anyone else's Christianity. Only God knows that. But God does say that we can "judge them by their fruit". As far as Kerry's fruit-bearing goes, he is about as much of a Christian as Arafat.
By Anonymous, at 5:03 PM
1. Well it seems the NBC embedded team has a difference of opinion the actual reporter Dana Lewis not the producer that was interviewed today is saying he knows for a fact that those explosives were not in that facility and he's telling his story if the MSM will listen........
2. What came up 10 days ago is the fact that IAEA El Baradei is making an issue of this.......could it be that the US doesn't want El Baradei to start his third term as Director of IAEA and he's not too happy about it
3. Frankly as information about the UNSCAM or Oil for Palaces Scandal comes out each day I don't know if I trust anyone in any UN organization these days - hey is El Baradei's name on any of those oil vouchers or is he running interference for Kofi baby who now officially under investigation?
4. There are several bloggers, with assists from military types who say it would be impossible for looters to steal that amount of explosives undetected, the only common sense answer is that Saddam had it moved before the war.....try Syria - Debka has been claiming since November 2002 that trucks were pouring over the border from Iraq to Syria - of course they claim that is where Iraq's WMD went, gee if the explosives could have gone a walking why not the WMD huh and read Dulfer's last report - he doesn't rule that out yet.......
By Anonymous, at 5:04 PM
You guys are as stupid as W.
By Anonymous, at 5:32 PM
Well, considering that Bush's SAT scores were higher than Kerry's and Bush has a higher IQ than Kerry, I'll take that as a compliment.
By Anonymous, at 5:50 PM
Breaking News: Bush Sucks Cock
...Developing...
By Anonymous, at 6:01 PM
Are the wittle itty bitty wiberals mad that their candidate....John sKerry has once again inserted his foot into his mouth.....rather, his hoof into his mouth. Shame on anyone who votes for this bozo. He should be sitting in a prison cell for his actions after he returned from Vietnam.
Liberals suck!
By Arpege92, at 6:23 PM
OK, If what the democracts is fair, then Sunday night lets release the "NEWLY DISCOVERED" FACT, that Kerry was in on a plan to Assinnate US Senators, earlier in his youth!!!
By Anonymous, at 6:25 PM
OK, If what the democracts is fair, then Sunday night lets release the "NEWLY DISCOVERED" FACT, that Kerry was in on a plan to Assinnate US Senators, earlier in his youth!!!
By Anonymous, at 6:25 PM
OK, If what the democracts is fair, then Sunday night lets release the "NEWLY DISCOVERED" FACT, that Kerry was in on a plan to Assinnate US Senators, earlier in his youth!!!
By Anonymous, at 6:25 PM
OK, If what the democracts is fair, then Sunday night lets release the "NEWLY DISCOVERED" FACT, that Kerry was in on a plan to Assinnate US Senators, earlier in his youth!!!
By Anonymous, at 6:25 PM
OK, If what the democracts is fair, then Sunday night lets release the "NEWLY DISCOVERED" FACT, that Kerry was in on a plan to Assinnate US Senators, earlier in his youth!!!
By Anonymous, at 6:25 PM
Typical republican. Too stupid to even post a comment correctly. Hey click on "Publish Your Comment" a few more times. That'll make it work. Same on the internet as on the road. You'll see drivers with their "Bush 2004" bumper sticker while driving down the road with their turn signal on, driving 20mph below the speed limit, etc.
By Anonymous, at 6:53 PM
More of the same old same old. The Democrats can't find their wallet...This story is a blatant lie and the problem for them is that the American public knows they are lying. WMD? Wha is being said about the large cache of syrin gas found in Jordan...Did it just fall from the sky. Hardly, that was part of Saddams WMD.. Common sense at times is so elusive.
By Anonymous, at 7:03 PM
CONSERVATIVE-NEWS SAYS
FLASH:26 OCTOBER 2004
NEWLY DISCOVERED PAPERS REVEAL KERRY WAS
A PUPPET OF THE NORTH VIETNAM GOVERNMENT!
Discovered papers:
Hanoi directed Kerry
By Art Moore
October26. 2004
Recovered Vietnam documents
'smoking gun' researchers claim
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The first documentary evidence that Vietnamese communists were directly steering John Kerry's antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War has been discovered in a U.S. archive, according to a researcher who spoke with WorldNetDaily.
One freshly unearthed document, captured by the U.S. from Vietnamese communists in 1971 and later translated, indicates the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris peace talks that year were used as the communications link to direct the activities of Kerry and other antiwar activists who attended.
Kerry insists he attended the talks only because he happened to be in France on his honeymoon and maintains he met with both sides. But previously revealed records indicate the future senator made two, and possibly three, trips to Paris to meet with Viet Cong leader Madame Nguyen Thi Binh then promote her plan's demand for U.S. surrender.
Jerome Corsi, a specialist on the Vietnam era, told WND the new discoveries are the "most remarkable documents I've seen in the entire history of the antiwar movement."
"We're not going to say he's an agent for Vietnamese communists, but it's the next thing to it," he said. "Whether he was consciously carrying out their direction or naively doing what they wanted, it amounted to the same thing -- he advanced their cause."
Corsi, co-author of the Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth best-seller "Unfit for Command," and Scott Swett, who maintains the group's website, have posted a summary of the discovery on the website of Wintersoldier.com.
Corsi says the documents show how the North Vietnamese, the Viet Cong, the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice, the Communist Party of the USA and Kerry's VVAW worked closely together to achieve the Vietnamese communists' primary objective -- the defeat of the U.S. in Vietnam.
"I think what we've discovered is a smoking gun," Corsi said. "We knew when we wrote 'Unfit for Command' that Kerry had met with Madame Binh and then promoted her peace plan.
"This document enables us to connect the dots," he emphasized. "We now have evidence Madame Binh was directing the antiwar movement ... and the person who implemented her strategy was John Kerry."
July 22, 1971, Kerry called on President Nixon to accept the plan at a press conference in which he surrounded himself with the families of POWs, a strategy outlined in the first document.
The two documents also connect the dots between the Vietnamese communists and the radical U.S. group People's Coalition for Peace and Justice through the person of Al Hubbard, a coordinating member of PCPJ and the executive director of VVAW while Kerry was its national spokesman.
"Al Hubbard and John Kerry were carrying out the predetermined agenda of the enemy in a coordinated fashion," Corsi said. "It's a level of collaboration that exceeded anything we had imagined."
'Return the medals'
The second document, captured by U.S. military forces in South Vietnam May 12, 1972, urges Vietnamese officials to promote the antiwar activities in the United States.
Significantly, the fifth paragraph makes it clear the Vietnamese communists were using, for propaganda purposes, a protest described as taking place April 19-22, 1971.
Kerry led Vietnam veterans in 1971 medal-toss protest.
This coincides with the well-known "Dewey Canyon III" protest in Washington, D.C., highlighted by Kerry's Senate Foreign Relations testimony charging American soldiers with war crimes.
The document's description of the protest includes the "return the medals" event in which Kerry and other VVAW members threw their war decorations toward the steps of the Capitol.
Why now?
Corsi told WND the documents have been authenticated with "100 percent certainty."
But why were they unearthed now, just one week before the Nov. 2 election?
Corsi insisted the timing was unintentional.
"It's truly one of those accidents of how things develop in research," he said. "We did not spring any surprise, we just found these documents, and even the archivist didn't know they were there."
Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth dispatched two researchers to Texas Tech University's Vietnam-era archive in Lubbock, which has more than 2 million documents, and "see if there was anything there," Corsi said.
Many of the documents are in Vietnamese and have not been translated yet.
The documents were found in boxes containing documents from antiwar activities during 1971-72, but they also turned out to be posted in an Internet database, which enabled further verification.
First document
The first document is a "circular" outlining the Vietnamese regime's strategies to coordinate its propaganda effort with orchestration of U.S. antiwar group activities.
The spontaneous antiwar movements in the US have received assistance and guidance from the friendly ((VC/NVN)) delegations at the Paris Peace Talks.
The phrases in double parentheses were added by U.S. translators for clarification. "VC" refers to the Viet Cong, while "NVN" is the North Vietnamese government.
Corsi and Swett point out that FBI files show Kerry returned to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese delegation in August 1971 and planned a third trip in November.
Corsi emphasizes that before the discovery of this document, he and other researchers had no direct evidence that Hanoi actually was directing the antiwar movement to implement the regime's goals, although they assumed it to be the case based on other indications.
In her meeting with Kerry in Paris, Madame Binh instructed him on how he and the VVAW could "serve as Hanoi's surrogates in the United States," Corsi and Swett say. This included advancement of her seven-point peace plan forcing President Nixon to set a date to end the war and withdraw troops.
Hanoi cleverly constructed the plan so that the only barrier to release of American POWs was Nixon's unwillingness to set a withdrawal date.
But as Corsi and Swett emphasize, the plan amounted to a virtual surrender that included payment of reparations and an admission the U.S. was the aggressor in an immoral war against the communists.
The circular underscores the impact of the peace plan on U.S. activists, saying:
"The seven-point peace proposal ((of the SVN Provisional Revolutionary Government)) not only solved problems concerning the release of US prisoners but also motivated the people of all walks of life and even relatives of US pilots detained in NVN to participate in the antiwar movement.
Another section of the circular, again highlighting the interconnectedness of the Vietnamese communists, the U.S. antiwar movement and politics in the U.S. and South Vietnam, says Nixon and South Vietnamese leader Thieu are "very embarrassed because the seven-point peace proposal is supported by the [South Vietnamese] people's (( political struggle)) movement and the antiwar movements in the US. "
Therefore, the circular says, "all local areas, units, and branches must widely disseminate the seven-point peace proposal, step up the people's ((political struggle)) movements both in cities and rural areas, taking advantage of disturbances and dissensions in the enemy's forthcoming (RVN) Congressional and Presidential elections. They must coordinate more successfully with the antiwar movements in the US so as to isolate the Nixon-Thieu clique."
Second document
In addition to tying activities surrounding Kerry's 1971 protest to the direction of Vietnamese communists, the second document reveals the degree to which Hanoi worked with and through the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice.
Of the U.S. antiwar movements, the two most important ones are: The PCPJ ((the People's Committee for Peace and Justice)) and the NPAC ((National Peace Action Committee)). These two movements have gathered much strength and staged many demonstrations. The PCPJ is the most important. It maintains relations with us.
Corsi and Swett note the House Internal Securities Committee in its 1971 Annual Report described the PCPJ as an organization strongly controlled by U.S. communists.
"There is no question but what members of the Communist Party have provided a very strong degree of influence, even a guiding influence, in the evolution and formation of policies of the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice."
Corsi cites recently released FBI surveillance reports that establish a strong link between Kerry, Hubbard, the VVAW, the PCPJ and their trips to Paris to meet with Madame Binh.
Kerry shared the stage with Hubbard, who recruited Kerry into the group, during the Dewey Canyon III protest, and they appeared together on NBC's Meet the Press April 18, 1971. Hubbard's claimed to have been a transport pilot wounded in combat, but the Department of Defense released documents showing he was neither a pilot nor an officer and had never served in Vietnam.
One FBI field surveillance report stamped Nov. 11, 1971, showed Kerry and Hubbard were planning to travel to Paris later that month to engage in talks with Vietnamese communist delegations. Other FBI reports clearly show the Communist Party of the USA was paying for Al Hubbard's trips to Paris, Corsi notes.
Another FBI report, dated Nov. 24, 1971, gives details of Hubbard's presentation to a VVAW meeting of the Executive and Steering committees in Kansas City, Mo., Nov. 12-15, 1971.
At that meeting, the VVAW considered and then rejected a plan to assassinate several pro-war U.S. Senators. Kerry is listed as present.
The FBI document shows communist coordination in Hubbard's trip to Paris.
[BLACK OUT] advised that Hubbard gave the following information regarding his Paris trip:
Two foreign groups, which are Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) and Peoples Republic Government (PRG) (phonetic), invited representatives of the VVAW, Communist Party USA (CP USA), and a Left Wing group in Paris, to attend meeting of the above inviting groups in Paris. Hubbard advised he was elected to represent the VVAW. An unknown male was invited to represent the CP USA and an unknown individual was elected to represent the Left Wing group from Paris. He advised at the meeting that his trip was financed by CP USA.
Corsi and Swett cite an appeal letter written by Hubbard April 20, 1971, demonstrating the strong coordination between Vietnam Veterans Against the War and People's Coalition for Peace and Justice.
Addressed from the offices of the VVAW in Washington, D.C., the letter is an appeal to VVAW members to provide assistance to the PCPJ. It discusses several ways in which the two organizations have worked closely together:
This is an appeal for help for the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice.
Over the past months the Peoples Coalition has supported the Vietnam Vets Against the War in many ways. The Coalition has made office space available at no charge, and permitted the use of all necessary office equipment such as mimeograph machines, stencil-making machines, folders and typewriters. They have loaned us cars, bullhorns, and public address equipment. Their staff has taken messages for us and joined fraternally in building our progress. Now we can return this support.
Saturday, April 24, the Coalition needs help collecting money and selling buttons at the great march and rally. Collectors and sellers must be energetic and determined. Theree will be security problems in taking large amounts of money to banks. The Coalition needs people power, hundreds of workers.
I earnestly hope that you will come forward to support our friends in this emergency.
Two days after Hubbard's letter was written, Kerry told Sen. William Fulbright's Foreign Relations Committee American military in Vietnam were committing war crimes in the manner of Genghis Khan.
The event referred to in the letter was PCPJ's massive April 24 demonstration in Washington that followed the VVAW's Dewey Canyon III protests.
Comment from Conservative-News.
Could this be the October suprise? Let's wait and see if the National left wing media run with this story...
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By Anonymous, at 7:04 PM
Voting for Bush is nothing short of a character flaw. You act like the media is covering everything "good" up about the war in Iraq. In reality, you guys put OUR troops in harms way without a vigorous discussion and this is what has come about. It IS a mess over there and the President won't acknowledge it. Worse, when other people do, he hides behind our troops- saying criticizing the war is bad for THEM. These guys are fucking brave and in harms way. They can handle a discussion of the war. Critizicing the war is bad for the troops, its bad for Bush and Bush supporters who are so dug in they can't admit their wrong. Sleep well, motherfuckers.
By Anonymous, at 7:09 PM
Aside from all the above, I've taken extreme action - being "related" to a senior "honcho" with a Fortune 100 company, the plan within his "authority" to teach the "mentally challanged" network officials is that effective after March 2005, CBS and affiliates will take a major hit in their national advertising "income" over the next 3 years - and it's BIG money....That's my kind of guy - next will be securing proxies from a certain group of stockholders in both Viacom AND CBS to see how to make them suffer....THEY JUST NEVER LEARN.....hit'em in the pocket book and perhaps that will get others attention huh!
By Anonymous, at 7:20 PM
Aside from all the above, I've taken extreme action - being "related" to a senior "honcho" with a Fortune 100 company, the plan within his "authority" to teach the "mentally challanged" network officials is that effective after March 2005, CBS and affiliates will take a major hit in their national advertising "income" over the next 3 years - and it's BIG money....That's my kind of guy - next will be securing proxies from a certain group of stockholders in both Viacom AND CBS to see how to make them suffer....THEY JUST NEVER LEARN.....hit'em in the pocket book and perhaps that will get others attention huh!
By Anonymous, at 7:20 PM
Yeah, Iraq is an absolute mess. Just hear what the people of Iraq have to say.
http://www.voicesofiraq.com/
By Anonymous, at 7:32 PM
“IAEA inspectors visited the site in late 2002 and early 2003 before the war, sealing and tagging the stockpiles of “high explosives.” “
Hummm, is it just me or wasn’t the IAEA charged, if not mandated to DESTROY these items? If so, why didn’t they? Why were they tagged and otherwise left in the control of Saddam? Did the Corrupted UN order the IAEA to leave them? If so, why? Were they bribed by Saddam to do that as well??? Where did all those truckloads GO??? Perhaps my memory is failing me, but wasn’t there several stories of large numbers of trucks crossing the Border with Syria and Jordan before the war began, in that 18 month run up to it??? (The 18 months Mr. Kerry and other liberals were screaming was far too fast? That we needed to give “Diplomacy” more time? Time for what? MORE weapons to cross the borders???) Why aren’t you all asking these questions on the air???
Logical flaws in the Democrats arguments:
1) Liberals wanted to give the (corrupt) UN more time to resolve the conflict. A CORRUPT organization, corrupted to keep Saddam in power. Yea right. Any Bridges for sale? I am in the market.
2) Liberals felt that 18 months was too short a time to negotiate? What, did they want another 12 years?
3) Those 18 months ENABLED Saddam to moves all of his weapons out of Iraq to countries that were and still ARE supporting Terrorists.
4) Liberals have been crowing about no Weapons of Mass Destruction. Hmnnn. Seems to me that 380 TONS of explosives can take down, let’s see… 2000Lbs per ton, one Lb to take down a Plane, yea, 760,000 commercial aircraft????
5) Liberals in their entrenched unwillingness to ACT gave Saddam 18 months to give it all to terrorists and the countries supporting them. How much more evidence of Treachery is needed???
Ok, and they want to take back the White house? Seems to me that they can’t find their way out of a wet paper bag with 10 pounds of HDX.
By Danae, at 7:41 PM
Oops. Grandma Kerry fell and can't get up. I knew the guy was a traitor but this is rediculous. Taking ORDERS from communist North Viet-Nam?
By Anonymous, at 9:18 PM
Bottom line: I think all the chickenhawks on this list should put their cajones where their mouths are. Go enlist for immediate service in Iraq, and send a soldier home in your place.
Until you do that, you're nothing but squawkers who live in an illusion, and your words fall flat. Until you candy-assers put your rear ends on the line with bullets and weapons material coming at you - shut the f*** up!
How about diehard neocons putting their asses on a limb for what they believe in, instead of letting others do it for them.
By Anonymous, at 10:24 PM
To the guy who "knows someone" who will pull advertising from CBS, Viacom, etc., etc. - who cares? Do you think CBS will care?
Even if it's in the tens-of-millions? I work in the media industry pal, and companies are *fighting* to get ad placement.
IN effect, you're implying that unless the media reports it your (or your friend's( way, you take your marbles and go home.
Please go tell your friend to go buy his own TV station. He can call it Moron TV.
By Anonymous, at 10:29 PM
To the guy who "knows someone" who will pull advertising from CBS, Viacom, etc., etc. - who cares? Do you think CBS will care?
Even if it's in the tens-of-millions? I work in the media industry pal, and companies are *fighting* to get ad placement.
IN effect, you're implying that unless the media reports it your (or your friend's( way, you take your marbles and go home.
Please go tell your friend to go buy his own TV station. He can call it Moron TV.
By Anonymous, at 10:29 PM
To the guy who "knows someone" who will pull advertising from CBS, Viacom, etc., etc. - who cares? Do you think CBS will care?
Even if it's in the tens-of-millions? I work in the media industry pal, and companies are *fighting* to get ad placement.
IN effect, you're implying that unless the media reports it your (or your friend's( way, you take your marbles and go home.
Please go tell your friend to go buy his own TV station. He can call it Moron TV.
By Anonymous, at 10:29 PM
This whole thing is going to backfire on Kerry. He's been lying about what he will do for national security just to get votes and the liberals want him to lie so they can see him get elected. But I wonder just how many in the electoral college would vote for a man who took orders from North Viet-Nam( see www.wintersoldier.com ) I'm sure there's more documents as yet undisclosed that the EC will be looking at as well. John Kerry's willingness to sacrafice security for peace will not be overlooked.
By Anonymous, at 11:26 PM
I work nites and was up late on my day off unable to sleep looking for the news.....what do I find? CSPAN has Lynn Cullen who I have never heard before, lambasting President Bush and saying she would vote for Daffy Duck and that all the media is biased for President Bush. The hate comes through her screaming over a caller who doesn't agree and calling Republican Conservatives "names". I cannot wait for this election to be over and President Bush to be reelected. I live in Illinois, a state that on the map is going for Kerry. I live in Carthage, West Central Illinois, and most of my friends are voting for President Bush. We probably won't carry the state for the President because Chicago will cancel out our vote, a fact we live with at every election. I was a Democrat and voted democrat in the last election. Suddenly, I wake up to realize that even though I did not vote for Clinton who had no morals and little character, that I am supposed to believe the democrats mean good for me. It is my belief that even though Clinton did good things while he was president he also made my country look like a fool to the rest of the world. America has a President that can't keep his pants zipped!!!!! I believe Clinton is the reason we are seen as soft and an easy target because we are a laughing stalk in the world. Kerry is a war protestor, an opportunist, a person of no vision, and all he knows is what he doesn't like and what he would do better. Where is Kerry's plan? If he doesn't have President Bush's plan to disc, what plan will be left, hot air? The media is biased against the President. I, as a veteran, and a woman am tired of hearing hate, double talk, name calling.............let me just vote.
By Anonymous, at 2:50 AM
Lets look at what facts we have here:
1) As a commander and chief, you hold a miltary rank.
2) As such you are responsible for giving orders to commanders below you, to complete operations positively.
3) As a member of the military your job is to obey these orders and complete your mission.
4) If given an unlawful order you are obligated to inform your senior, and disobey that order. You are also supposed to report that individual no matter what rank for charges against the UCMJ (Uniform code of Military Justice).
5) It would seem to me that someone somewhere in the Military should charge the Commander and Chief with Articles against the UCMJ and if no provision is available then use Article 32 the catch all Article and charge him with the endagerment of troops due to orders contridicting the rules of War. Also the murder of over 30,000 innocent Iraqi, men, woman and children. Since he lied about WMD's and that was the stated pretext for going there and nothing has been found to indicate any were there, and the charge that they could launch an attack in 45 minutes was bogus, he lied.
In the wave of US forces going into Iraq were told not to secure weapon storage facilities, instaed move on and secure the oil fields I guess that is the WMD they were more concerned about. Again another lie.
What is about the American public that they feel getting rid of Saddam and invading Iraq, was justifiable. How many innocent peoples lives were shortened because we rtushed over there for a lie? Someone is responsible for these deaths and the President who gave the order to go is the man that should shoulder the blame.
I served honorably in the Army for 13 years, and no soldier anywhere wants to go to war. We would much rather be ready to defend our great country that be associated with a facist war mongoring President who is not concerned with our lives, our families or the poor pay and conditions we are to live in.
The ammount of soldiers leaving the Army is stagering and the solution the Administration has come up with is to extend their tours of duty. That is a hostage situation and after serving with distinction my tour of duty I would be disgruntled beyond words. These Patriots are telling us they do not support the effort of the Admnistration and the recruitment numbers point to the fact that even our young poor people who used to look at the military as a way to establish some credibility to their lives are no longer willing to use that avenue. It says a lot for the cause and effect of rushing off to war with the wrong enemy.
By Anonymous, at 4:41 AM
I can't help but reflect upon our nation's past to try
and even understand how we got to this point in time-- where we once again are back to the sentiments prior to
the American Civil War and this my friends is what the rest of the world has been waiting for; the time when
we turn on each other. President Bush has made some errors in his execution of the "war on terror" especially in Iraq but so did President Lincoln. How many Generals did he fire until he found the one that could execute his plan? If I recall there were many. You can analyze World War II in the same light and realize our Presidents in the past have never been correct on military actions the first time around. However, it has been their character and steadfast hand that has enabled us to win in the end. We did not start this war my friends we were attacked on Sept. 11, 2001 and our nation will never be the same. Bush with all his errors
has made a stand, "Terrorist don't F-ck with us" we are
a strong nation and we will prevail. While President Bush was in the hot seat the rest of the Congress, including Senator Kerry was in shock--not knowing what to do. If Senator Kerry would have been President what would he have done? Based on his long record combined with his staff of advisors from Clinton's admin who were
faced with the same issues for 8 years, I gurantee we would be in a worse scenario believe it or not. I am from Boston, MA. I know John Kerry, the people here do not respect him and do not think he will be able to be
effective as President. He only gets 50% of the vote here, the most Liberal state in the union? That tells you something. With all of the mistakes Bush has made and all the wrong turns we have gone, in the end of the
day there has been no further attack on this nation. Senator Kerry never even tries to spin that fact. If we
were given a better option the Senator Kerry, someone that could actually do better than President Bush I would be the first in line to support him/her. Wake up
America, the emperor (Senator Kerry) has no clothes. I'm
afraid beleive it or not he is a more nightmare scenario
than Bush. When and if the next attack comes, with Kerry in the hot seat I don't know if we will fare so well. Folks might have lost jobs and money and someother
stuff but we are still alive and are able to fight a better fight. Let's change the world with a more realistic candidate than Senator Kerry; he is not the one-- don't waste your precious vote on him.
By Anonymous, at 5:36 AM
I thought this (USA) was a Representative republic.........
Where does the popular vote fit into that description?
By Anonymous, at 7:44 AM
You ultra-conservatives have a real problem looking a issues from another point of view. There's no gray, only black and white. LIBERAL-BAD; CONSERVATIVE-GOOD. Chant it 100 times and you forget the issues.
By Anonymous, at 8:01 AM
And just what do you consider to be issues? You liberals talk about nothing but "issues". So name a few. I'll start it for you. How about Kerry taking orders from the Viet-Cong? (www.wintersoldier.com) How about Kerry lying about the 380 tons of explosives missing BEFORE troops arrived? How about Kerry lying about his record protecting the second ammendment? How about Kerry lying about the draft? How about Kerry lying about being able to heal the crippled? How about Kerry lying about procting social security by doing nothing to protect it?
All Commie Kerry can do is follow orders from China and flush the U.S. down the toilet. (www.wintersoldier.com)
By Anonymous, at 8:35 AM
How can anyone blast our troops like Kerry just did? It is impossible for looters to carry off 380 TONS of explosives in the backyard of american soldiers with all the roads secure. Iraqi trucks can ony carry a maximum os 5 tons each so that means it would take at least 70 trucks to haul the materials out. With no roads to drive on , I guess they would need superman, mighty mouse, or their good dead friend, Adolf Hitler to help get the explosives out. Thats right . While Adolf was killing 6 million jews, the Arabs were busy killing over 600 thousand. What do you Hollywood types think all this Muslim extremism is all about anyway?
By Anonymous, at 8:54 AM
In response to the 10:24 from yesterday.
You make the claim that conservatives should go fight the war, but we don't because we all we do is talk or something to that affect. Well for my part, I tried to join the military but couldn't because I have a severe case of Crohne's Disease. While I th